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      • Ordination: God’s Purpose versus Satan’s Designs (Wayne Kablanow)
      • Women’s Ordination Issues Overview (Many Hands)
      • Because of the Angels (John Witcombe)
      • Humanity Male and Female (Larry Kirkpatrick)
      • Listening to God’s Voice (Jim Reinking)
      • The “Many Women” Who Ministered (Gerita Liebelt)
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      • Will the Real Ministers Please Stand Up? (Jim Brackett)
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      • A Unified Church, Part 1: Christ’s Prayer for Unity (Mike Lambert)
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      • A Third Look at Male Headship (John Witcombe)
      • Adam, Where Are You? (Gerhard Pfandl)
      • A Unified Church, Part 4: What Members Can Do When Things Go Astray (Mike Lambert)
      • Headship-A Path to Unity (John Witcombe)
      • NAD Claims EGW Dealt With Male Chauvinists? (Larry Kirkpatrick)
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      • What About Phoebe? (Lonny Liebelt)
      • More Woimen in Ministry? (formerly, None Dare Call it Rebellion) (John Witcombe)
      • Whose Vote Shall We Go By? (Lee Roy Holmes)
      • The Story (Octavian Poenaru)
      • A Mother’s Day Sermon by Paul (Gerita Liebelt)
      • Gender Confusion (John Witcombe)
      • A Call to Repentance (Lonny Liebelt)
      • Re-education Camp? (Larry Kirkpatrick)
      • The Devil’s Test Run (Ron Woolsey)
      • Troubling Questions (Ben J. Liebelt)
      • Artful Dissembling (Clinton L. Schultz)
      • Our Inalienable Rights (Gerita Liebelt)
      • Foundations of Women’s Ordination, part 1: Orientation to the Scriptures (Larry Kirkpatrick)
      • Foundations of Women’s Ordination, part 2: First Wave Feminist Theology (Larry Kirkpatrick)
      • Foundations of Women’s Ordination, part 3: Liberation Theology (Larry Kirkpatrick)
      • Foundations of Women’s Ordination, part 4: Second Wave Feminist Theology (Larry Kirkpatrick)
      • Foundations of Women’s Ordination, part 5: Homosexual Theological Entailments (Larry Kirkpatrick)
      • Foundations of Women’s Ordination, part 6: Evangelical Feminism (Larry Kirkpatrick)
      • Foundations of Women’s Ordination, part 7: Feminist Theology in Adventism (Larry Kirkpatrick)
      • Foundations of Women’s Ordination, part 8: Last Bits, On Unity, Conclusion (Larry Kirkpatrick)
    • 2013 Third Quarter | Archived
      • Golden Opportunities (Lonny and Gerita Liebelt)
      • Junia the Apostle. Really? (Mike Lambert)
      • The Curse That Redeems (John Witcombe)
      • That the Word of God Be Not Blasphemed (Diane Kobor)
      • Is Women’s Ordination Culturally Rather Than Biblically Driven? (Larry Kirkpatrick)
      • Required Church Manual and Bylaws President Text (Many Hands)
      • Congregationalism—How Will it End? (Wayne Kablanow)
    • 2013 Fourth Quarter | Archived
      • E-60 and the WO Endgame (Larry Kirkpatrick)
      • Church Policy, Church Unity, and Women’s Ordination (Kevin D. Paulson)
      • Biblical Sacredness of Ordination (Louis R. Torres)
      • Ordination: Biblical typology male and female (Bob Stewart)
      • Sin, genetics, and the weakest generation (Lee Roy Holmes)
    • 2014 First Quarter | Archived
      • Priesthood of Believers (Louis R. Torres)
      • A new path? (Many Hands)
      • Inserted gender-inclusive language influences WO debate (Kevin Paulson)
    • 2014 Second Quarter | Archived
      • Open letter to Angel Rodriguez (Phil MIlls)
      • Sorke-Response to Angel Rodriguez (Ingo Sorke)
      • Homosexuality or Christianity? (Larry Kirkpatrick)
      • Responses to Angel Rodriguez’ Arguments on 1 Corinthians 11, 14 (Edwin Reynolds)
      • Response to Rodriguez’s critique on headship (John W. Peters)
      • Women in male roles—pt. 1 (Larry Kirkpatrick)
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Truth and the Heart

"When truth is brought home to the heart, they see that their lives are not in accordance with the will of God. They see the need of an entire change in themselves; but they are not willing to take up the self-denying work. Therefore they are angry when their sins are discovered. They go away offended, even as the disciples left Jesus, murmuring, 'This is an hard saying; who can hear it?'" (The Desire of Ages, p. 392).

Upcoming. . .

-- (December 17, 2024): we published this morning and we have more material coming in near future. Obviously events have spiraled dramatically downward since the NAD voted to entirely resist the General Conference Compliance decision at Annual Council.

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Conforming to the World

"All who exalt their own opinions above divine revelation, all who would change the plain meaning of Scripture to suit their own convenience, or for the sake of conforming to the world, are taking upon themselves a fearful responsibility" (The Great Controversy, p. 268).

A fair and open process

"I have heard the angst and emotional deep feeling by so many. I think we all hold these views rather strongly. But let me give you a very strong pastoral appeal. I believe we need to stay together as a church. We have had a fair and open process. Our real challenge for the future is to maintain a sweet spirit. After the vote is when we really will be tested..." (Pr. Ted N.C. Wilson, San Antonio, TX, July 8, 2024).

FEATURED VIDEOS

(In order of appearance, top items most recent:)

Bakersfield #6: JENNIFER ARRUDA: We, the People, Must Speak. 2024-06-13

Bakersfield #7: ALLEN DAVIS: Gift versus Appointment. 2024-06-13

Bakersfield #8: LAUREL DAMSTEEGT: The Forgotten Story of 1989. 2024-06-13

Bakersfield #9: Women's Ordination PANEL DISCUSSION. 2024-06-13

Bakersfield #10: LARRY KIRKPATRICK: Dangers on the Horizon. 2024-06-13

STEPHEN BOHR: Male and Female He Created Them. 2024-06-12

LOUIS R TORRES: Reflections on the Ordination Controversy. 2024-06-12

INGO SORKE: 1. Adam, wo bist du?. 2024-06-08

CLINTON WAHLEN: 2. Leiterschaft entsprechend der Schöpfungsordnung. 2024-06-08

INGO SORKE: 3. Paulus: Lokal oder Global?. 2024-06-08

EUGENE PREWITT: 4. Argumente unter der biblischen Lupe. 2024-06-08

CLINTON WAHLEN: 5. Die offizielle Erklärung zur Position 1, wie sie dem Annual Council der GK 2014 präsentiert wurde. 2024-06-08

CHRISTOPHER KRAMP: 6. Ordination in der Adventgeschichte. 2024-06-08

DOUG BATCHELOR: The Adventist Ordination Crisis, pt. 2. 2024-06-10

DOUG BATCHELOR: The Adventist Ordination Crisis, pt. 1. 2024-06-02

STEPHEN BOHR: GC boths denied to CAP and ADvindicate. 2024-05-29

WOMEN'S ORDINATION CRISIS OVERVIEW. 2024-04-21

STEPHEN BOHR: A response to Adventist World on women's ordination. 2025-03-31

What might have been. . . can be. 2025-03-24

NAD congregation responds to NAD WO mailing. 2025-03-15

STEPHEN BOHR: Time magazine connects women's ordination and homosexuality. 2025-02-14

AN APPEAL TO DELEGATES TO THE 2015 GENERAL CONFERENCE SESSION. 2025-01-21

LIRA SCARONE: Ordenacion de las Mujeres. 2024-10-01

GUILLERMO BIAGGI: Ordenacion de damas. 2024-09-28

DON MACKINTOSH: Did Adventists ordain women to the gospel ministry a century ago? 2024-09-12

WAYNE KABLANOW / JIM BRACKETT: Women's ordination and congregationalism. 2024-09-01

STEPHEN BOHR: Response to position 3 video. 2024-08-30

LARRY KIRKPATRICK / MIKE LAMBERT: WO and the SDA Theological Seminary. 2024-08-25

KEVIN D. PAULSON: Church policy and WO. 2024-08-22

DANIEL SCARONE: Es la Biblia la que nos da las orientaciones, no la cultura. 2024-08-16

DOUG BATCHELOR, STEPHEN BOHR, JAY GALLIMORE: 3ABN Night Light WO discussion. 2024-08-14

DON MACKINTOSH: WO: helping or hindering unity? 2024-08-11

LARRY KIRKPATRICK / MIKE LAMBERT: TOSC position 2 problems. 2024-08-06

INGO SORKE: Gender differentiaion? 2024-08-01

PHIL MILLS: Should we ordain at all? 2024-07-29

LARRY KIRKPATRICK / MIKE LAMBERT: NAD's cultural WO solution. 2024-07-27

LARRY KIRKPATRICK / MIKE LAMBERT: NAD's trajectory hermeneutic examined. 2024-07-21

DANIEL SCARONE: The Bible provides our directives, not culture. 2024-07-15

PHIL MILLS: Prophets and women's ordination. 2024-07-13

DAVID READ: Does culture drive biblical interpretation? 2024-07-11

INGO SORKE: Testimony. 2024-07-03

EUGENE PREWITT: Can we take 1 Timothy chapter 3 to an extreme? 2024-07-01

EUGENE PREWITT: is the word "ordained" in the Bible? 2024-06-29

KEVIN D. PAULSON: Male headship and the Bible. 2024-06-27

EUGENE PREWITT: The Bible, slavery and women's ordination. 2024-06-17

LARRY KIRKPATRICK: Response to Chudleigh on "headship theology." 2024-05-06

MIKE LAMBERT: A gender agenda, pt. 6 (of 6). 2025-03-19

MIKE LAMBERT: A gender agenda, pt. 5 (of 6). 2025-03-14

MIKE LAMBERT: A gender agenda, pt. 4 (of 6). 2025-03-08

MIKE LAMBERT: A gender agenda, pt. 3 (of 6). 2025-03-03

MIKE LAMBERT: A gender agenda, pt. 2 (of 6). 2025-02-26

MIKE LAMBERT: A gender agenda, pt. 1 (of 6). 2025-02-21

LARRY KIRKPATRICK / JIM BRACKETT: NAD's PBHC hermeneutic: a closer look. 2025-01-20

LARRY KIRKPATRICK / JIM BRACKETT: New NAD WO hermeneutic, pt. 2 (of 2). 2025-01-18

LARRY KIRKPATRICK / JIM BRACKETT: New NAD WO hermeneutic, pt. 1 (of 2). 2025-01-17

UMC homosexual unions developments. 2024-12-07

TED N.C. WILSON: The State of the Church. 2024-11-14

TED N.C. WILSON: Illuminate the Earth with God's Glory. 2024-10-13

UMC 2012 GC session division over homosexuality and aftermath. 2024-08-30

P. GERARD DAMSTEEGT presentation---Utrecht GC session 1995. 2025-03-10

TED N.C. WILSON: Appeal to the Columbia Union Conference. 2025-02-17


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The Scriptures…

"The Scriptures are plain upon the relations and rights of men and women" (Ellen G. White, Testimonies, vol. 1, p. 421).

On interpretive gymnastics…

"The historical-critical and higher critical methods of Biblical interpretation negatively affect a clear understanding of the themes and topics of the Bible. As we seek to know God’s will through a study of His Word, we must not place strange interpretations and employ interpretive gymnastics to draw out conclusions that are not evident from a plain reading of the word" (Ted N.C. Wilson, GC President, to 2014 Annual Council).

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  • Jim Howard Weimar Hermeneutics Series
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Our responsibility

"When the issue is truth, there is no such thing as anonymity.... As stewards of the mysteries of God it is our duty to affirm and sustain the biblical trajectory (and I'm borrowing a word there) of male headship/leadership in the home and in the church and not go beyond what is written in the Scripture.... It is our duty (and this is why we're here) as stewards of the mysteries of God to protect the church from a hermeneutical disaster. That's the bottom line. Amen" (C. Raymond Holmes, 2024-10-04 at Fresno Central SDA Church, CA USA).

Recent comments

  • Bill Sorensen on Methodists: LGBT Theology Divides University from Denomination
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  • George J Mandzuik on NAD Vote Rejects World Church Plan
  • Bill Sorensen on Methodists: LGBT Theology Divides University from Denomination
  • Bill Sorensen on Post-GC Rebellion Bodes Methodist Separation
  • Jonathan on Post-GC Rebellion Bodes Methodist Separation
  • Rev. Michael L Mueller on WO, homosexuality, and Lutheranism
  • Dwayne Turner on Post-GC Rebellion Bodes Methodist Separation
  • Michael B. on Post-GC Rebellion Bodes Methodist Separation
  • Davaughn R. Austin Sr. on Post-GC Rebellion Bodes Methodist Separation
  • Bill Sorensen on Post-GC Rebellion Bodes Methodist Separation
  • irvin on Update #5: Mid-America Union Votes on Women’s Ordination

Historical-grammatical method

"The Protestant Reformation would have been impossible apart from this change in the hermeneutics [away from the highly subjective allegorical/fourfold method] that was employed to interpret the Holy Scriptures of both Old and New Testaments. . . . Luther became the proponent of a methodology which in essence was the historical-grammatical method" ("The Presuppositions of the Historical-Grammatical Method as Employed by Historic Lutheranism," Raymond F. Surburg, The Springfielder, October 1974, p. 279).

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    • Sin, genetics, and the weakest generation
    • Sorke-Response to Angel Rodriguez
    • Submitting to One Another in Love
    • That the Word of God Be Not Blasphemed
    • The China Experience and Women’s Ordination
    • The Curse That Redeems
    • The Devil’s Test Run
    • The Prefix Christian
    • The Story
    • The “Many Women” Who Ministered
    • Troubling Questions
    • Unity versus Uniformity
    • What About Phoebe?
    • When No! is Yes!
    • Whose Vote Shall We Go By?
    • Will the Real Ministers Please Stand Up?
    • Women in male roles—pt. 1
    • Women’s ordination and Aaron’s Rod that budded, pt. 1
    • Women’s ordination and Aaron’s Rod that budded, pt. 2
    • Women’s Ordination ISSUES OVERVIEW
    • Would Ellen G. White support TOSC position 3?
    • “Elder Statesmen,” Women’s Ordination, Church Fracture
    • “Submit to One Another”
  • My Gender Journey
  • PoC + Q + T Methodists Declare Rebellion to General Conference
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    • Update #5: Mid-America Union Votes on Women’s Ordination
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SDA sites addressing Women's Ordination

  • ASTR Theology of Ordination Site Official site of the Seventh-day Adventist Church Theology of Ordination Study Committee (TOSC)
  • Christ or Culture Site with a variety of media and documentation regarding Women’s Ordination. (With petition for those so inclined)
  • Gleaner (NPUC union paper), Ordination page Union paper of the North Pacific Union Conference, online edition
  • Secrets Unsealed Ministry Pr. Stephen Bohr and others have done extensive study on this topic. He is also a member of the General Conference Theology of Ordination Study Committee (TOSC).
  • Women in Ministry Site carrying a variety of items concerning the WO question

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Presiding bishop Mark Hanson announces ELCA restructuring, 2024-10-15. Posted 2013-12-24.

LCMS MC Harrison Reacts to ELCA decision 2009-08-29. Posted 2013-12-24.

ELCA presiding bishop Elizabeth Eaton calls for prayer 2013--12-05. Posted 2013-12-21.

Installation of practicing homosexual ELCA bishop 2024-09-21. Posted 2013-12-21.

WLF Gender Justice introduction video. Posted 2013-12-21.

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